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Back to Home Page 12/05/01 rev 02/18/03 SE/30 WITH IIsi or IIfx ROM Thanks to Vintage Box : 68k Mac - OS 8/030 for the OS 8 & 8.1 hacks.

Description:
Following are methods for installing OS 7.0.1, 7.1, 7.5.3, 7.5.5, 7.6.1, 8.0, or 8.1 on an SE/30 with a IIsi or IIfx ROM SIMM.
With these ROM SIMMs Mode 32 is not required and should not be installed.
Minimum hardware requirements: 16 MB RAM, 44 MB free space on hard drive.
We have not encountered any problems with variations in SE/30 logic boards.
ROM SIMM information is included. Compatibility with boot disks has been tested.
Two screenshots are included. Field Report.

Software links

OS 7.0.1 & 7.1 Install:
Both 7.0.1 and 7.1 work OK without hacks, with Installer option
'Customize: System Software for any Macintosh'.

OS 7.5.3 Install:

Hard drive to have OS 7.0.1 or 7.1. Also 7.5.3 Installer, System Picker 1.1a3, ResEdit 2.1.3, and Mode32 v7.5 Installer.
Turn off SE/30 and install IIsi or IIfx ROM SIMM.
Boot from hard drive OS 7.0.1 or 7.1 and open Mode32 v7.5 Installer. Remove Mode 32 v7.5.
In Memory control panel set '32-bit Addressing' to 'On'. Close Memory control panel and reboot.
Launch the 7.5.3 Installer with Installer options "Clean Install" (COMMAND SHIFT k) and "Easy Install".
NOTE: "Clean Install" will save the original System software in 'Previous System Folder'
After Installer is done, restart with 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy and do:
ResEdit hack to 'System 7.5 Update' file in 'System Folder':
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000018', replace data '0008 0003 0009 0003' with data '0008 0003 0009 0005'.
ResEdit hack to 'System' file in 'System Folder':
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000018', replace data '0008 0003 0009 0003' with data '0008 0003 0009 0005'.
Use System Picker to select hard drive OS 7.5.3 for reboot.

OS 7.5.5 Update Install:

Hard drive to have OS 7.5.3, installed per above. Also 7.5.5 Update Installer, System Picker 1.1a3, ResEdit 2.1.3, and Disk Copy 6.3.3.
Boot from hard drive OS 7.5.3. Mount the OS 7.5.5 disk images on the desktop. Launch the 7.5.5 Update Installer.
After Installer is done, restart with 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy and do.
ResEdit hack to 'System' file in 'System Folder':
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000018', replace data '0008 0003 0009 0003' with data '0008 0003 0009 0005'.
Use System Picker to select hard drive OS 7.5.5 for reboot.

OS 7.6.1 Install:

NOTE: 7.6.1 Update will be installed on top of 7.6 without trying to boot from 7.6.
CD ROM drive or hard drive to have OS 7.6 installer.
Hard drive to have OS 7.0.1 or 7.1, 7.6.1 Update Installer, ResEdit 2.1.3, and Disk Copy 6.3.3.
Modify 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy as follows:
• Trash Apple HD SC Setup.
• Add Wish I Were and CD-Sunrise v2.2c extensions to Extensions folder.
• Add Wish I Were control panel to Control Panels folder.
• Add System_Picker 1.1a3 application.
Turn off SE/30 and install IIsi or IIfx ROM SIMM.
Boot from modified 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy, set Wish I Were control panel to 'Macintosh IIsi', close control panel, and reboot with modified 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy.
Launch the 7.6 Installer with Installer options "Clean Install" and "Easy Install".
After the 7.6 Installer is done Trash any mounted 7.6 Installer images from desktop.
Launch the 7.6.1 Update installer. After the 7.6.1 Update installer is done do:
ResEdit hack to 7.6.1 System file:
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000018' ,
replace data '0008 0003 0009 0003'
with data '0008 0003 0009 0005'.
Use System Picker to select hard drive OS 7.6.1 for reboot.

OS 8.0 Install:

Hard drive to have OS 7.0.1 or 7.1, System Picker 1.1a3, ResEdit 2.1.3, Wish I Were, Mode32 v7.5 Installer, and os8-030patch folder.
CD ROM drive to have OS 8.0 or OS 8.1 CD.
Turn off SE/30 and install IIsi or IIfx ROM SIMM.
Boot from hard drive OS 7.0.1 or 7.1 and open Mode32 v7.5 Installer. Remove Mode 32 v7.5.
In Memory control panel set '32-bit Addressing' to 'On'. Close Memory control panel.
Drag Wish I Were control panel and Wish I Were extension to hard drive 7.0.1 or 7.1 System Folder icon. Set Wish I Were control panel to 'Quadra 700', close control panel, then reboot.
On the Mac OS 8.1 CD, the OS 8.0 Installer is located at
Full Install Pieces-->Software Installers-->System Software-->Mac OS 8-->.
Launch the 8.0 Installer with Installer options "Clean Install" and "Easy Install".
After Installer is done, restart with 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy and do:
ResEdit hacks to 8.0 System file:
• Replace 'boot' resource 'ID 2' with the same resource from 'os8-030patch.rsrc'.
• Replace 'gbly' resource 'ID -16385' with the same resource from 'os8-030patch.rsrc'.
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000010', replace data '0016 0006' with data '0009 0005'.
Trash the 'Monitors and Sound' control panel.
From the Apple Extras folder drag both the 'Monitors' and 'Sound' control panels to the System Folder icon.
Use System Picker to select hard drive OS 8.0 for reboot.
NOTE: System 7 will now be in 'Previous System Folder'

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OS 8.1 Update Install:

Hard drive to have OS 8.0, installed per above, and OS 8.1 Update installer, Disk Copy 6.3.3, System Picker 1.1a3, ResEdit 2.1.3, Wish I Were, and os8-030patch folder.
Boot from hard drive OS 8.0.
Drag Wish I Were control panel and Wish I Were extension to OS 8.0 System folder icon.
Set Extensions Manager to 'My Settings', check all boxes.
Set Wish I Were control panel to 'Quadra 700', close control panel, then reboot.
Open Mac OS 8.1 Update installer, in Options uncheck 'Update Apple Hard Drive Drivers'.
Run Mac OS 8.1 Update installer.
After installer is done, restart with 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy and do:
ResEdit hacks to 8.1 System file:
• Replace 'gbly' resource 'ID -16385' with the same resource from 'os8-030patch.rsrc'.
• 'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000010', replace data '0016 0006' with data '0009 0006'.
Use System Picker to select hard drive OS 8.1 for reboot.

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Boot Disk Compatibility:
OS 7.0.1 and 7.1 Disk Tools:
   Both worked OK with no hacks.
OS 7.5 Network Access Disk:
   Requires ResEdit hack to 7.5 System file:
     'gusd' resource 'ID 1' at offset '000018', replace data '0008 0003 0009 0003' with data '0008 0003 0009 0005'.
OS 7.5.3 Disk Tools 1:
   We were unable to get this disk to work.
OS 8.0 Disk Tools 1:
   We were unable to get this disk to work.

Software Downloads: (OS 7.6 and OS 8.0 Installers not included.)
Mode32 v7.5 Installer..For removing Mode32 version 7.5.
OS 7.0.1................For running installers.
7.0.1 Disk Tools......For installing OS 7.5.3 and higher.
CD-Sunrise v2.2c......Universal CD-ROM driver extension.
Wish I Were 2.0.......Control Panel and Extension, for installing 7.6.1, 8.0, or 8.1.
System_Picker 1.1a3..For selecting the boot OS.
7.1
7.5.3 Installer
7.5.5 Update
7.6.1 Update
8.1 Update
OS8-030 Patch.........For patching OS 8 & 8.1.
ResEdit 2.1.3..........For editing System files.
Disk Copy 6.3.3.......For mounting Installer Disk Images.
TattleTech 2.58.........For identifying ROM SIMM.
Tech Info:
ROM Checksums......For identifying ROM SIMM.
List of Gestalt codes for Macintosh Computers...For installing 8.0 & 8.1 on other 68030 Macs.
Macintosh Computers: ROM Version Numbers.
Macintosh: ROM Size for Various Models.
ROM chip cross reference.

ROM SIMM Info

IIsi ROM SIMM

IC part numbers:
  341S0820
  341S0821
  341S0822
  341S0823
IC package: PLCC-32
ROM base: N27C010-120V10
ROM type: OTP EPROM (128K X 8)

Data: (using TattleTech 2.58)
  ROM Size = 524,288 Bytes
  ROM Version = $67C (124)
  + ROM is Universa l= No
  + ROM is 32 Bit Clean = Yes
  ROM Sub-Version = $12F1
  ROM CheckSum=$36B7FB6C
  ROM Start = $40800000

IIfx ROM SIMMs

IC part numbers:
  341S0769
  341S0770
  341S0771
  341S0772
IC package: PLCC-32
ROM base: M5M27C101JK
ROM type: EPROM (128K X 8)

IC part numbers:
  341S0781
  341S0782
  341S0783
  341S0784
IC package: SOIC-32
ROM base: HN62331
ROM type: Mask (128K X 8)

Data: (using TattleTech 2.58):
ROM Size = 524,288 Bytes
ROM Version = $67C (124)
+ ROM is Universal = Yes
+ ROM is 32 Bit Clean = Yes
ROM Sub-Version = $11F2
ROM CheckSum=$4147DD77
ROM Start = $40800000

SE/30 ROM SIMMs

IC part numbers:
  342S0654-A
  342S0653-A
  342S0652-A
  342S0651-A
IC package: PLCC-32
ROM base: 27C512
ROM type: OTP EPROM (64K X 8)

IC part numbers:
  HN62321AFR64
  HN62321AFR63
  HN62321AFR62
  HN62321AFR61
IC package: SOIC-32
ROM base: HN62321
ROM type: Mask (128K X 8)

IC part numbers:
  342S0642
  342S0641
  342S0640
  342S0639
IC package: PLCC-44
ROM base: VLSI VT23512
ROM type: Mask (???K X ?)

Data: (using TattleTech 2.58)
ROM Size = 262,144 Bytes
ROM Version = $178 (120)
+ ROM is Universal = No
+ ROM is 32 Bit Clean = No
ROM Sub-Version = $0
ROM CheckSum=$97221136
ROM Start = $40800000

IIci ROMs
IC part numbers: 341-0733 341-0734 341-0735 341-0736 IC package: DIP-32 ROM base: TC531001CP ROM type: Mask (128K X 8)
Data: (using TattleTech 2.58) ROM Size = 524,288 Bytes ROM Version = $67C (124) + ROM is Universa l= Yes + ROM is 32 Bit Clean = Yes ROM Sub-Version = $10F1 ROM CheckSum=$368CADFE ROM Start = $40800000

SE/30: RAM: 20MB Hard Drive: Quantum LPS270S (258 MB) (Apple ROM)
Formatted with Apple HD SC Setup 7.3.5.

Logic Boards that worked: markings & IC part numbers
630 number 820 number Bar Code UK6 UG7 UG6 UE7 UE6 UE10 UH7	630-4198-11 820-0260-10 (1988) ; BK9047084 341-0650-A 341-0633-A 341-0635-A 341-0688-A 341-0637-A 344S0063-1 ????	(none marked) 820-0260-A (1989) BK0033675 341-0650-A 341-0746 341-0747 341-0755 341-0754 344S0063-A 341S0689C	(none marked) 820-0260-A (1989) sf23912R00YC ; 341-0650-A 341-0746 341-0747-A 341-0755 341-0754 344S0063-A ????

SE/30--IIsi ROM--OS 8.0--Micron XCEED Color 30--Apple M0401 Monitor

SE/30--IIsi ROM--OS 8.1--Micron XCEED Color 30--Internal GrayScale

Field Report: (01/08/02) Michael S. Macdonald, (DCCGP with bar) msm@axion.net
finally.... the moment arrived...
placing the hard drive into the cradle of a demolished external Hard drive
case, and booting from
a floppy, he selected the external drive as the startup disk and pressed the
external reset button.
for seconds there was nothing...then...an image floated to the front of
the screen...the dreaded 'simasimac'.
Even as the "arggghhh" was building in his throat, the screen suddenly
cleared, things started whirring and extension icons began to appear on the
screen.....

YEEEEHAAAWWW!
An SE/30 with 256 shades of grey running OS 8.1!!!!

Proof positive that even an idiot could follow the instructions! (Actually
dse cadet had cheated a wee bit by installing the software while the HD was
contained in the shell of a Q605 (68040), thus saving some of the tedium of
reboots.

Everything went without a hitch Steve, DAMN it feels good.
Well done DSE!

fan for life
-Costello-

Info on OS8-030 Patch:
'boot' ID 2 comes from: 5400-6400_Disk_Tools.img.bin

'gbly' ID -16385 comes from: Mac_OS_7.6.1_Update-3of4.img.bin

Born Again Disclaimer:
Born Again, from Brochner Software, is software that permits installing OS 8 or 8.1 on 68030 Macs with 32 bit clean ROMS.
We in no way used Born Again to install OS 8 or OS 8.1 on the SE/30.
We never looked at any code from Born Again.
We got the trial version from the author and tried it once to unsuccessfully install OS 8.1 on an SE/30 with IIsi ROM SIMM.